c3sus/Camp 2019
Dates
and mainline call for participation
We want to have a “Bits & Bäume” village with self-organised
sessions and workshops.
Who wants to camp
together with Bits & Bäume
This also serves as list for the replicating ticket voucher. Please
contact the c3sus mailinglist when you want to participate :)
village
registration village
wiki page
- blipp
- yolo
- Gunnar
- coco
- guenther (KaMaRo)
- raphael
- Kamaro 2 (please replace with your nick/name)
- iexos
- Kolossos
- hanno
- faze
- aleχ
- lynx
- deBaer
- Amiryfey
- …
Programm Suggestions
- Workshop: Calculate carbon footprints - Bring your stuff, questions,
travel plans, food, ... - and we'll try to find out its emissions.
(Gunnar)
- Workshop: Let's go there by land not by air - Bring your
destination/itinerary and we'll find out how to go there without
involving aeroplanes. Far-out and exotic destinations, please! Special:
How to go everywhere by electric car. (Gunnar)
- Windpower, Libre solar, weather data & German power grid
(Kolossos)
- potential effects of a carbon-tax, political stupidity like limiting
PV in Germany at 52GW
(German).
- Talk: How to build your own balcony PV 1
(coco)
- Talk: Introducing my e-waste study: project
page
- Regular event: Bits of Plants. In 2015 there was a market outside
the camp area where you could buy fresh vegetables. If it will be there
again, I'll make some vegan fingerfood or salad every evening. Everybody
is welcome to help or just to eat with us. (coco)
- Experiments especially for kids, showing the effects of CO_2 as a
green house gas, its effects on water and more. Generally presenting
experiments showing the basic physical principles of the causes of
climate change. HACC CSV
- Hackerflauschkommunen, Aufzucht und Pflege: An impulse and
discussion from trying out the idea of perpetuating #cccamp2007.
(deBaer)
- …
Times of arrival + means of
transport
Please see the timeline in the
camp's official wiki for reference.
blipp |
18.8. |
28.8. |
train |
probably not |
coco |
19.08. |
25.08. |
train + bicycle |
no |
lynx |
21.08. |
26.08. |
train + bassliner |
no |
Gunnar |
21.08. |
25.08. |
cargobike |
no |
iexos |
20.08. |
26.08. |
train + bassliner |
no |
… |
… |
… |
… |
|
Other projects for the camp
- Low-carbon bicycle transport:
- The location (Ziegeleipark Mildenberg) is close to the
Berlin-Copenhagen cycleway, which is part of national and european
long-distance cycle routes. We will organize a one day cycling trip,
further planning will happen in the Camp
Wiki.
- By bike from west to east : a group is taking shape to cycle via
R1. Start August 10 from
Arnhem, about 70km per day. Would be nice to join the one day
cycling trip from Berlin. Interested in joining? Let's talk on
#bike2cccamp2019@:matrix.org
- Agro-Robot-Demo (https://kamaro-engineering.de/)
Camp 2019
Join
CCC Sustainability (c3sus) and help make CCC events sustainable
At the session we formed working groups:
Outreach
- increase awareness of:
- what should go into the organic bins
- what should not go into the residual bins
- recycling projects
- return angel lanyards & name tag pouches
- potable water points - as soon as somebody confirms that the water
is definitely drinkable
- ...
Power
- increase understanding of the power used at camp
- determine whether reduction of diesel generator use is possible
Transportation
Water
- Simpler, yet hygienic water dispenser option may use foot pedals
(https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=water+foot+pedal)
- may also be used for filling large containers
Waste management
- create awareness / solution easily for electronic waste
- move bins to where they are needed
- create / monitor organic bins levels
- inform food vendors about nearest location of organic bins
- talk to orga about removal of overflowing bins
- Orga confirms that we can have now 15 bins instead of 12 so this is
encouraging for the high waste areas / areas with full bins
- Removal is arranged by c3sus but full bins should be brought to the
main bin points!
- Italian Village is informed
- Milliways informed
- talk to Bars / BOC about straws
- Gnomus contacted - not possible to disseminate this kind of info
quickly for camp but see congress
- Spoke with 4 bars - people manning bars and people consuming from
them open to not using plastic straws (ask first instead of giving out
automatically)
- ...
Food
- Understand how the food vendors are chosen
- Food vendors can be chosen for camp if we get involved early enough
with orga
Kidspace kitchen
Understand
how the food in the kidspace organised
Food is organised by the kidspace independently - Andreas was in
charge
Analyse how it can be
more sustainable
A meeting was held with Andreas and the team on how / what
improvements they would be open to
- waste - separation was happening immediately (even before c3sus
organised the bins) with arrangements with a local farm to take the
compost - people taking the compost were Wabu & Ninu perhaps good
contacts for next camp if it is still held in the same place (composting
site 15min away by car)
- waste - estimation - they would have been happy to keep track of the
waste produced had we asked them before the event - *something to keep
in mind for next camp*
- waste - type - the bulk of the waste produced was food packaging
even though they are waste conscious they took special measure to reduce
this, bread was unpacked, meat was in large packaging for example
- meat consumed: Andreas estimated 100kg for 250 full meals for about
400 people - kids eat less.
- when asked whether he thinks that meat is reduced to 10% he stated
that this would not work as he believes 80% are meat eaters
- to reduce meat consumption they organised veggie Fridays - he is
open to increase the number of these days
- some meals were meat heavy eg burger evening - 25kg and some were
less meat heave eg bolognese pasta night 5.6kg - he is open to increase
the light meat days therefore reducing the overall meat consumption
- provenance: regional and free range - Andreas acknowledges that beef
is still harmful to the environment and he considers it a good idea to
switch from beef to chicken for example
- dairy products provided by the kitchen: cheese, milk and yogurt -
the cheapest options were chosen to keep the costs down
- Vegan alternative to cow milk was provided - oat milk
- Andreas feels that alternatives to cheese and yogurt will be cost
prohibitive but he is *open to get help in researching alternatives
& the costs associated with them*
- other comments from Andreas
- cooking fuel - Andreas would be very happy to switch to electricity
that is not generated by diesel generators
- transportation of items to the camp should be looked to analyse if
so many trucks are needed
Feedback from kidspace users:
Family A: 2 Adults and 2 Children:
- Did not participate in the kidspace kitchen and brought with them
their own food
Family B: 1 Adult and 1 Child:
- Very happy with what the food that was provided in the kidspace area
particularly with the self chosen pizza topic, the child is extremely
fussy and would not have liked to eat pizza with a cheese substitute or
without salami
- Would be happy with less meat heavy meals as long as it is something
the child would like to eat
Family C: 2 Adults and 1 Child:
- Would have been happy with 100% no meat or completely vegan
- They brought their own organic cow milk because they were not
satisfied with the H-Milk and Oat milk alternatives, they think that
offering more non-dairy variety would increase adoption rates
- Better no cheese than plastic / cheap cheese
- They are very happy with the organisation of the kidspace kitchen
and would be happy to see it become more sustainable
- More vegetarian bread spread options would reduce consumption of
cheese
- Fears that organising a discussion would lead to controversy and
conflict in the community
Family D: 2 Adults and 3 Children:
- Very happy with having a central kitchen so they don't have to worry
about organising their own food
- Would be ok with vegan or vegetarian only but appreciate this could
be hard on the meat eaters
- 1 adult ate meat because it was there and not because he would
prefer it, he thought that with so much more meat on offer that they
thought there would not be enough for vegetarians
- they would be happier to pay more for better quality dairy products
ie organic or good vegan alternatives
- think that the communication is somewhat lacking and would be happy
to see more discussion or a simple questionnaire is circulated before
the events for what and how much meat / dairy / vegan alternatives
should be organised
- they believe that people in the next years will become more
conscious about these topics and there would be more discussion centered
around vegetarian and vegan options at the next camp
- believes that most people would be happy to eat what is on offer as
self organising individual families would be too difficult
Family E: 2 Adults and 1 Child:
- would have been happier with an all vegan offer
- very happy with the organisation especially to reduce food
waste
- the vegetarian options were very good esp the burger
- Some additional comments from Faze:
- Would like to see more veg options in the pizza area
- Would like to see better layout for service that promotes the
vegan/vegetarian options as the default rather than the exception
Milliways kitchen
Understand
how the food in the Milliways kitchen is organised
Food is organised by the Milliways independently - Ben was in charge
Since there was not sufficient time to interview Ben in person an email
was sent to him after the camp.
Analyze how it can be
more sustainable
Some overall notes
- Milliways mostly serves dinner meals.
- Breakfast/lunch is mostly self-service bread, cheese, nutella.
- Some stews served for lunch
- Dinner meal planning was for 500 meals/day
- Lunch meal planning was for 250 meals/day
- Some nights we do snack service of pommes
Staff:
- One head cook (Ben)
- 3 sous chefs
- 4-5 helpers depending on the meal
Q & As
- do you have an approximate amount of waste produced:
- organic waste:
- We put about 250-300L of waste (onion peels, vegetable root ends,
etc) into our bio bin.
- plastic packaging:
- About 1000L of plastic, glass, and metal cans. Sadly we did not
determine a correct metal can recycling location. We also did not do as
good a job as possible separating glass waste. More organized bins
inside our kitchen. I've already added notes about this to our post-camp
review pad.
- how many gas bottles were used:
- About 40-50kG of gas was used for 500 people served per day.
- how is the choice of menu made:
- Proposals are put into a wiki, then organized and voted by the
kitchen team, any final menu decisions by head cook.
https://wiki.milliways.info/index.php?title=CCCamp_2019-kitchen-menu
- can you provide some info on provenance of food eg. regional / local
/ imported:
- Only some effort into local options was made. Difficulty of
communicating with local providers is an issue, they tend to be analog
and require many round trips in communication to get things done. We
have a good meat supplier, reliable, on time, but still takes a bit of
effort to communicate with.
- how many vegan / vegetarian meals were served:
- For dinner, about 100/day, 90% veg, 10% vegan. Lunches were mostly
veg/vegan bread+sides or vegan / low-meat soups. With the exception of
an austrian pork lunch.
- how many meat heavy meals eg: burgers:
- Burgers served one night, 450 100g portions made. Considering
reducing this portion
- Bratwurst and other grill items reserved for setup crew, ~30
portions for 3 setup days.
- how many low meat meals eg past sauce:
- Most meals, BiBimBap, Indian, Jambalya, and Lasagna targeted
40-70g/person portions. Some meals included bulk veggie options like
Indan Dal, Chana Masala, Cornbread, etc.
- would the community consider lowering the number of meat heavy
meals:
- I think we're already doing well on this front.
- what kind of dairy products were served:
- Indian included some Jogurt, butter
- Cornbread used milk and buttermilk.
- Lasagna was cheese heavy.
- how would the community react to dairy free alternatives:
- Many meals are already dairy free when recipe calls for it.
- how important is sustainability to the milliways kitchen /
community:
- Definitely in the top priority list to be efficient and sustainable
when possible without trying to greenwash things for the sake of
it.
- I find that people call for big pots of chili as "efficient and
sustainable" but ignore the huge amount of waste energy produced by
inefficient cook pots using propane for hours at a time. The worst
sustainability practice I see at camp is not meat or food waste, but
people driving individual cars into town every day to purchase small
amounts of food.
- what measures will be taken by the milliways kitchen for the next
camp to reduce waste and CO2 emissions?eg vegan / vegetarian meal days
increased / low meat meals / dairy free alternatives etc.
- Better calculations for up-front purchasing to avoid over-orders of
ingredients.
- Better labeling and kitchen storage organization to avoid items
being lost at cooking time and possibly end up as food waste.
- Many times we attempt to re-integrate previous meal items into other
dishes to avoid waste.
Merchandise & Angelwares
Post Event Retrospective
Meeting
28th September 2019 a meeting was
held to discuss how camp went and what should be done next.